tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4611157281567615666.post5020563734426291694..comments2023-12-27T13:19:38.184+00:00Comments on BellgroveBelle: Party fundingBellgroveBellehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02011429534354744636noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4611157281567615666.post-73170700454236302332010-04-04T18:45:25.738+01:002010-04-04T18:45:25.738+01:00Cup cakes? Fairy cakes, surely?Cup cakes? Fairy cakes, surely?Michael Wincotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12371681675592686814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4611157281567615666.post-46382158251793883912010-02-16T20:34:21.520+00:002010-02-16T20:34:21.520+00:00I meant it as some local humour BB.
In much the sa...I meant it as some local humour BB.<br />In much the same way Labour activists are afraid to show their faces so they are afraid to leave their names with their blog comments -<br /><a href="http://bellgrovebelle.blogspot.com/2009/10/if-they-scrape-that-barrel-much-more.html" rel="nofollow">If they scrape that barrel much more, they'll go through it...</a><br /><br />A local Labour apparatchik is miffed because of some light blog humour - which was in reply, just to say, to a nonsense comment of money given to get access to the Scottish First Minister and his Deputy. As if.<br /><br />Maybe this local Labouur Party apparatchik might want to comment about the real corruption of members of the Labour Party, local and national, as he seems to be so well connected and so knowledgable?joe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4611157281567615666.post-64419498595773817362010-02-16T17:55:23.213+00:002010-02-16T17:55:23.213+00:00joe90 kane - I appreciate your comments very much,...joe90 kane - I appreciate your comments very much, but as with all others, I would appreciate if you could keep them on topic. I don't see what any university political club has to do with party funding.BellgroveBellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02011429534354744636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4611157281567615666.post-27644438675063839362010-02-16T17:17:35.293+00:002010-02-16T17:17:35.293+00:00I must object to the consistent digs that 'joe...<i>I must object to the consistent digs that 'joe90Kane' (whoever that is) makes at the Strathclyde Labour Club, the club which I chair as it happens.</i><br />- You're right. 'cybernats' only refer to Scots not British nationalists like yourself.<br /><br /><i>I don't know if 'joe90kane' has any actual experience of the club now or in the past but I would assume from his ignorant attacks that the answer is no.</i><br />- Well, you're the chairman, and I've made comments to you on this very blog, which went unanswered once you ran out of New Labour platitudes and spin, see -<br /><a href="http://bellgrovebelle.blogspot.com/2009/09/its-norways-oil.html" rel="nofollow">It's Norway's Oil</a><br />BB<br />21 Sept 2009<br /><br /><i>The accusations that members are somehow particularly right wing or subservient to a party line is simply nonsense. The club has a wide range of members from 'old' labour to new labour, where I fit in will be for others to judge!</i><br />- Perish the thought that members of the Labour Party agree with those in charge of it, that Iraq and Afghanistan should be attacked, invaded and occupied and that billions of taxpayers money should be wasted in the process of committing these war crimes.<br /><br /><br /><i>This week we had Iain Gray come and speak to the club, I wonder if anyone who saw Iain challenged on why we don't back a referendum would say the club was too loyal?</i><br />- How about challanging him on prosecuting New Labour war criminals or even resigning from the party in protest?<br />Of course, that would mean he had a conscience of sorts, if he were to do something like that, I imagine.<br /><br /><br /><i>The arguments against it, however, are bizarre, ignorant and just plain wrong.</i><br />- What arguments are these?<br /><br />People having to put up with pro-Labour juvenile spam blog comments and associating them with a local student Labour club in BB's vicinity isn't really any kind of argument - just some simple attempts at political humour.<br /><br />Of course, compared with the sort of propaganda, spam and spin put out by Labour and its pals against the SNP, this complaint by you is laughable in itself. Such sensitivity. <br /><br />Maybe you can get Tom Gordon of The Herald, or some other unionist corporate journalist nobody, to write another story about 'cybernats' and their untruths and uncivilised behaviour on the internet?joe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4611157281567615666.post-46543027364762831532010-02-16T00:01:10.321+00:002010-02-16T00:01:10.321+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.joe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4611157281567615666.post-91178483686887737882010-02-13T20:13:06.709+00:002010-02-13T20:13:06.709+00:00I'm with you, Hamid...
He was referring to my...I'm with you, Hamid...<br /><br />He was referring to my post, and frankly, I've never been near the place.<br /><br />I went to the real university in Glasgowe - not one of the jumped-up polies. Wouldn't catch me in a Labour club, either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4611157281567615666.post-32846970692278539622010-02-12T22:38:56.281+00:002010-02-12T22:38:56.281+00:00I must object to the consistent digs that 'joe...I must object to the consistent digs that 'joe90Kane' (whoever that is) makes at the Strathclyde Labour Club, the club which I chair as it happens.<br /><br />I don't know if 'joe90kane' has any actual experience of the club now or in the past but I would assume from his ignorant attacks that the answer is no. <br /><br />The accusations that members are somehow particularly right wing or subservient to a party line is simply nonsense. The club has a wide range of members from 'old' labour to new labour, where I fit in will be for others to judge!<br /><br />This week we had Iain Gray come and speak to the club, I wonder if anyone who saw Iain challenged on why we don't back a referendum would say the club was too loyal?<br /><br />Of course clubs very rarely take positions on particular issues and just like all parties it is a constant struggle to maintain the healthy membership which we currently have. <br /><br />The arguments against it, however, are bizarre, ignorant and just plain wrong.Yousuf Hamidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17958494785795838278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4611157281567615666.post-37183073878069061662010-02-10T21:25:27.482+00:002010-02-10T21:25:27.482+00:00Tulloch Gorum - of course not, this mob have incre...Tulloch Gorum - of course not, this mob have incredibly short memories...BellgroveBellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02011429534354744636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4611157281567615666.post-52161825435407781802010-02-10T21:15:48.866+00:002010-02-10T21:15:48.866+00:00"Anonymous - American donors can't send i..."Anonymous - American donors can't send in big cheques! A person must be on the electoral register in this country to be a 'permissible donor' under the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000."<br /><br />Jings, you'd think Labour folk would have remembered that after what happened to poor old Wendy. Speaking of whom, does she still hand out leaflets to weans at primary schools?Tulloch Gorumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4611157281567615666.post-60871854402814626042010-02-10T11:23:22.815+00:002010-02-10T11:23:22.815+00:00Ah, c'mon Joe... why so serious?
That's ...Ah, c'mon Joe... why so serious? <br /><br />That's always been the problem with you Trade Union lefties - no sense of humour. <br /><br />But isn't it funny that when the SNP get mixed up in something scandalicious it's always about food?<br /><br />For example: <br /><br /><a href="http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/latestnews/-Expenses-row-engulfs-Salmond.5251842.jp" rel="nofollow">Salmond's £800 recess bill</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics-news/2010/01/18/alex-salmond-lobbied-illegal-immigrant-facing-drugs-charges-to-stay-in-scotland-86908-21976461/" rel="nofollow">First Minister backs illegal immigrant</a><br /><br />And, of course: <br /><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article7015384.ece" rel="nofollow">Open for business, and food</a><br /><br />Time for a certain someone to go on a diet, methinks. Or keep his mouth shut, at the very least.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4611157281567615666.post-28756757465236867722010-02-09T19:25:00.005+00:002010-02-09T19:25:00.005+00:00Sorry for the moving about of comments there - I d...Sorry for the moving about of comments there - I deleted the wrong one. As I said before, if it's not relevant, it's going. Spammers can get their own blogs!BellgroveBellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02011429534354744636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4611157281567615666.post-58241834208930735012010-02-09T17:52:48.577+00:002010-02-09T17:52:48.577+00:00Anonymous - American donors can't send in big ...Anonymous - American donors can't send in big cheques! A person must be on the electoral register in this country to be a 'permissible donor' under the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000.<br /><br />Raising £11,000 on a night is certainly not the norm for any SNP campaign I've been involved with; the description I gave of our fundraising is my own, fairly typical experience.<br /><br />I'm not sure I buy your pleading of poverty, but I'm not about to ask you for proof - that's entirely an internal matter and I respect that. What I will say is that there are figures to show spending as well as income, and these are publicly available.<br /><br />According to the Electoral Commission's returns, in Scotland alone in 2005, Labour spent £1,636,450 to the SNP's £193,987<br /><br />In 2007, Labour spent £1,102,866, the SNP £1,383,462. Not actually as much as you suggest were you to break that down to constituencies.<br /><br />In the Euros last year, Labour spent £228,703, the SNP £126,170 (and we won!).<br /><br />Money isn't everything to a campaign; it's what you do with it that counts!BellgroveBellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02011429534354744636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4611157281567615666.post-78212401911652106652010-02-09T17:07:02.704+00:002010-02-09T17:07:02.704+00:00Anonymous is so proud of their support for the Lab...Anonymous is so proud of their support for the Labour Party, hence the reason they're ashamed to associate their own name with it in public. I don't blame them.<br /><br /><br /><i>Yes indeed - like buy access to the First Minster and Deputy First Minister!</i><br />- The usual juvenile tosh from the Strathclyde Uni Labour Party club.<br /><br /><br />At least the British Trades Unions and <i>Muslim Friends of Labour</i> can say that their money doesn't buy political influence in the Labour Party, because it doesn't.<br /><br />The Labour Government have done nothing but carry out islamophobic hate campaigns, such as Jack Straw pretending he's terrified of women who wear veils -<br /><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5413470.stm" rel="nofollow">Straw's veil comments spark anger</a> <br />BBC<br />06 Oct 2006<br /><br />Or John Reid's stunts in front of camera with a couple of non-representative ideologues somewhere in London -<br /><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5362052.stm" rel="nofollow">Reid heckled during Muslim speech</a><br />BBC<br />20 Sept 2006<br /><br />And what exactly have the Labour tartan tories done for British Trade Unionism, apart from attack it or ignore it?joe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4611157281567615666.post-34542803268036195472010-02-09T14:35:51.246+00:002010-02-09T14:35:51.246+00:00'Money isn't everything to a campaign; it&...'Money isn't everything to a campaign; it's what you do with it that counts!'<br /><br />Yes indeed - like buy access to the First Minster and Deputy First Minister!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4611157281567615666.post-16061760399850828102010-02-08T20:02:41.189+00:002010-02-08T20:02:41.189+00:00I know right now the SNP are trying to pedal the l...I know right now the SNP are trying to pedal the line that Scottish Labour is rolling in money due to the unions because its convenient to them, but nothing could be further from the truth. The SNP has always had more money than Labour, either due to wealthy backers and American donors sending in big checks. This was evident in 2007 when it was plain to everyone that SNP were out-spending Labour in every constituency by a lot. <br /><br />Most Labour parliamentary campaigns cost about £5000 to run, if that. They could never dream of raising £11 000 in a night like the SNP did on Tuesday. Labour supporters tend not to be wealthy, and students and the unwaged are always reduced significantly. Socials are organised on a shoestring budget and all the cash raised goes towards campaigning. There is no subsidy from the unions for the vast majority of seats. <br /><br />Labour has always been the least well off party in Scotland, that’s well known. For the SNP to say anything else is a distortion of the truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4611157281567615666.post-17700787007518263572010-02-08T17:49:05.658+00:002010-02-08T17:49:05.658+00:00Thanks George! They're dead easy to make.Thanks George! They're dead easy to make.BellgroveBellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02011429534354744636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4611157281567615666.post-24413012701807452692010-02-08T16:14:09.263+00:002010-02-08T16:14:09.263+00:00Well said.Well said.Strathturrethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02824645626620377993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4611157281567615666.post-39090309269621149482010-02-08T15:59:22.883+00:002010-02-08T15:59:22.883+00:00Dear Alison
"I do it, and so many of our mem...Dear Alison<br /><br />"I do it, and so many of our members do the same, because we believe in our party and our cause".<br /><br />And you make excellent little cup cakes.<br /><br />Yours sincerely<br /><br />George Laird<br />The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow UniversityG Lairdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07634338820731652821noreply@blogger.com